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Shayansher83

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Hi, I’m having an issue with my 2011 Audi Q5 2.0tdi Quattro.

The car seems to be losing coolant ever so slightly, it was a car I bought from auction and seemed to be traded in from a Main dealer Audi PX. It has regular servicing at the same Audi specialist and car is very mechanically sound. However, I noticed the coolant level was a bit low so I topped it off then it dawned on me that the car might be loosing coolant. I have so far took it to a mechanic and they say there is a leakage and there was some visible coolant around the top rim of the expansion bottle, I doubt it’s internal but I put some sealer and changed the expansion bottle. I took it on a trip of roughly 70-80 miles and when I reached home I saw what seemed to be steam near the expansion bottle, all be it was raining so might just be the rain tbh. I will check in morning when engine is cooled down and coolant is returned to reservoir if it has lost any, this is a very large problem for me and any help would be much appreciated.
Thankyou,
Shayan
 
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If it is bowing coolant out of expansion bottle it might be expensive
I have so far changed expansion bottle and cap and I have put K seal but it hasn’t seeemed to work, it may be from excess pressure but It hasn’t got any of the other symptoms of the head gasket problem because the car isn’t overheating and isn’t blowing any smoke from exhaust. I left the engine on rn and put cardboard under the car maybe this shows where the potential leakage is from, could it be the water pump?
 
The water pump can fail and it is labour intensive (expensive) to replace. If it was the water pump gasket, you would see sign's of fluid loss.
I suspect this might be why dealer sold at auction.
 
A competent mechanic should have been able to give you a better diagnosis. Some Q5s have a plastic impeller which is prone to failure. Could even be simply a failed thermostat. Let’s hope it is that. How old is yours?
 
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Some Q5s have a plastic impeller which is prone to failure. Could even be simply a failed thermostat. Let’s hope it is that. How old is yours?
It’s about 10 years old, however it has to be an external leak because under the car on the cardboard there is coolant leaked (pinkish fluid) so it is either an hose or water pump.
Thanks
 
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Hi just thought I would update, still no mechanic has been able to see it despite leaving it with them for numerous days, decided to just bite the bullet and do water pump and timing belt and will be booked in tomorrow hopefully should sort out the issue and will updmore updaate again in a weeks time with tes on how its getting along, Thanks again for the support
 
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Good luck
Thanks, I changed the water pump and timing belt as it came in a kit and at first glance it worked. However when the engine was cooled down and I checked this morning it was just below min (an improvement) but nothing major. I was beginning to think it was a head gasket but was quickly ruled out due to the lack of symptoms, only one being losing coolant. The mechanic did speak of a small leak with the hoses but after the test they said it was fine. Clearly not so will be driving for a few day’s regularly and monitoring. Hopefully the car is ok and it gets sorted soon. Any ideas at all would be helpful. Could it be the thermostat as it wasn’t changed?
Thanks,
 
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Any competent mechanic would have changed thermostat with pump. Can you see any water staining anywhere? Might be EGR cooler.
He should have but many of the mechanics in my area learn with a hammer. There is staining on the bolts that hold the expansion bottle to the body there is a coolant there and underneath it near the bottom of the bottle. Strangely when the car is stopped and hood is open there is a light haze coming from beside the coolant. This makes me to believe there may be excess pressure or just a hose leak, sorry for bugging you so much with all these questions but it might just be as simple as a hose leak which the mechanic stated… the engine only loses coolant when the engine is off and it’s cooling down to my understanding as there wasn’t anything lost when I came back from the 30 ish mile drive I’m honestly baffled and debating putting a new engine in as a worst case scenario
 
No need for apologies, this forum is for owners to help each other. Like the training if it doesn’t work get a bigger hammer. Without seeing car, I can only guess. Staining would indicate overpressure. You have already replaced cap, hopefully thermostat is the issue
 
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Well, thanks again everyone thought I would update on this. Turned out there was a lot of pressure in the system so I got it checked out and there were exhaust gasses in the cooling system. One mechanic told me it might be a faulty EGR cooler and he would bypass it but almost every other mechanic said that nothing like that was the case. So that left one thing, the head gasket. I thought that maybe it wasn’t just the head gasket and the head was also cracked. I then looked for a replacement engine and found a bare engine for £978 and would be £600 to fit but after a pressure test, I thought against it and decided to just change the head gasket. After that it should be fully repaired in which case I am going to send it on its way to its next home. I hope to break even on it and I hope that this story helps others. Also, I didn’t put in a head gasket sealer as it may work for me but that makes a big problem for the buyer who will be paying upwards of £11000 already. Thank you for reading and hope it helped
 
I will share you my experience, that lasted almost 1year to diagnose and resulted in the end with a coolant loss as well, with most of the symptoms described in the post. I will edit thos one into a bigger detailed post later as I just diagnosed my problem.. EGR gas cooler fissured/cracked. Going to change it to see if it solves. Later edit (got even worse): Audi Q5 2.0tdi 2009 (late edition - early 2010). Mileage: 380.000km (236k miles) All checks done on time with no major problems, road accidents or leaks until 2022. How it started: in the autumn of 2022, when outside temps started to drop, I noticed that the car wouldn't put anymore heat inside so and also, the water temp wouldnt rise to the optimal 90°C. Unless I would drive it reved on sport mode, the temps wouldn't climb and the heating wouldn't start. Even if drove aggressively, after going back in cruising mode at around 80mph (2000rpm), the water would slowly go down to 50-70°C and the heating would dissapear. I assumed it was the thermostat (one of the 3 one) so I went to the mechanic and had him change the small one (circular round, around 10€). His opinion- the thermo was cooked and had to be replaced, still... no improvement in the heating on the road. Personal issues started to appear later that winter so I didn't had time to invest in the car. No leakage, no smoke, no power loss, the car was driving like a champ so I had the problem ignored for the next 6-9 months. During the next summer, when outside temps would be back up, the water temp would climb and stay at the normal temp so I let it be for that time. Autumn of 2023 came so I had the car at another mechanic (the one that usually does all the checkings for it, since 10y) and told him the issues, so he changed the biggest thermostat (around 80€), i believe somewhere close to the front radiator. Still no other symptoms except for the lack of heating and water not reaching the optimal temp. He took the engine diagrams out and found there's a 3rd thermostat on some hose, close to the engine block. Ok, had that replaced also and the distribution (water pumps, belts, tightners, timing and accessories belts, etc, filters, fluids). Back on the road, everything was heaven with no problems. Lots of heating, water temp would easily reach and maintain the 90°C in all types of cold weather and slow driving/idling). I was thankful at that point that everything was sorted out. 1,5 months (maybe more) later, I had my first medium-long trip (around 370miles). At that point, no symptoms. Went of on the highway and started eating the track at 100-110mph. The car didn't last for 30minutes of 2300rpms and issued a "check coolant levels - turn of engine" error. Hell started... Got to the nearest parking, checked the coolant level, couldn't identify how much was left in the expansion vessel so I opened it up and the coolant would rapidly flush back in, filling it like 1-2 inches under the minimum level, with lots and lots of bubbles and air in it. Called the mechanic on the spot, he said that maybe the boys that had the water pumps changed, didn't flushed the installation properly. I filled it with coolant till top top and went back on the road, again. For the next 330miles, the car didn't had any symptoms. Water was ok, heating was ok, no smoke, no nothing, no coolant level error. I didn't checked the coolant level again until the next error appeared. Got back in town after 1 week, had some snow, had some -10°C temps, had some revving in the city (very crowded, jams, need to be quick if don't wanna spend a lifetime at the streetlights) and the error would appear once more. Same thing, coolant vessel opened but this time the level came back.even lower. Had it reffiled, had it flushed 10minutes opened on idling, seemed ok and I was starting to suspect a hose (when they changed the thermostat / water pumps). Next 2-3 days i constantly monitored the expansion vessel for every short trip I had. The leakage was becoming slowly obvious because it kept required reffiling, but not all the times. When drived easy, steadily, the coolant wouldn't escpaed as fast as when drived aggressively. Still, a new sign appeared- I found wetness and liquid behind the vessel and on some hoses (at that point, got me some relief as I was pretty sure that one hose was fisured but was opening the crack only under pressure) Ok, phoned the mechanic to let him know the problem persisted and started to document/research the issue (this is how I found the thread). *until this point, never did the expansion vessel boiled or throw up coolant opened when revving it (i wanted to eliminate the head cylinder/Gasquet) Got the car to the mechanic and after some checkups, he phoned me: EGR (DPF) gas cooler cracked / fisured and was losing coolant. Ok... lets have it changed. 2 hours later, my mechanic phones me again. The head cylinder was gone (had a crack somewhere) and the gasquet was also terminated (lossing coolant on al 4 cylinders) and, if left, undiagnosed it was only 20miles away from a total engine death. He knew there was another problem, except for the gas cooler, because after he changed the cracked one, the car started smoking white and the coolant started to flow with pressure/boil out from the vessel (the cooling circuit became pressurized from the gasquet leaking). It took me a lot to find out that my engine was to blame (slowly dying) because the coolant / pressure was being lost trough the egr gas cooler. So nobody suspected the head cylinder, not even I. The system had 2 faults and only by solving the first (gas cooler), did the second became obvious (head cylinder + gasquet). Had the egr cooler changed. Had the gasquet and the head cylinder changed. Took around 5 hours for the entire operation to be done. Had the car for a test-drive... 70 miles of mountain serpentines, only sport mode, noticed it could reach 5000rpm again (before it stopped at 4000-4500)... no more shaking, no more vibrations. Has a smooth acceleration without ever feeling the gear upgrade/downgrade.
 
I will share you my experience, that lasted almost 1year to diagnose and resulted in the end with a coolant loss as well, with most of the symptoms described in the post. I will edit thos one into a bigger detailed post later as I just diagnosed my problem.. EGR gas cooler fissured/cracked.
Going to change it to see if it solves.

Later edit (got even worse):
Audi Q5 2.0tdi 2009 (late edition - early 2010).
Mileage: 380.000km (236k miles)
All checks done on time with no major problems, road accidents or leaks until 2022.
How it started: in the autumn of 2022, when outside temps started to drop, I noticed that the car wouldn't put anymore heat inside so and also, the water temp wouldnt rise to the optimal 90°C. Unless I would drive it reved on sport mode, the temps wouldn't climb and the heating wouldn't start. Even if drove aggressively, after going back in cruising mode at around 80mph (2000rpm), the water would slowly go down to 50-70°C and the heating would dissapear.
I assumed it was the thermostat (one of the 3 one) so I went to the mechanic and had him change the small one (circular round, around 10€). His opinion- the thermo was cooked and had to be replaced, still... no improvement in the heating on the road.
Personal issues started to appear later that winter so I didn't had time to invest in the car. No leakage, no smoke, no power loss, the car was driving like a champ so I had the problem ignored for the next 6-9 months.
During the next summer, when outside temps would be back up, the water temp would climb and stay at the normal temp so I let it be for that time.
Autumn of 2023 came so I had the car at another mechanic (the one that usually does all the checkings for it, since 10y) and told him the issues, so he changed the biggest thermostat (around 80€), i believe somewhere close to the front radiator.
Still no other symptoms except for the lack of heating and water not reaching the optimal temp.
He took the engine diagrams out and found there's a 3rd thermostat on some hose, close to the engine block.
Ok, had that replaced also and the distribution (water pumps, belts, tightners, timing and accessories belts, etc, filters, fluids).
Back on the road, everything was heaven with no problems.
Lots of heating, water temp would easily reach and maintain the 90°C in all types of cold weather and slow driving/idling).
I was thankful at that point that everything was sorted out.

1,5 months (maybe more) later, I had my first medium-long trip (around 370miles). At that point, no symptoms.
Went of on the highway and started eating the track at 100-110mph. The car didn't last for 30minutes of 2300rpms and issued a "check coolant levels - turn of engine" error.
Hell started...
Got to the nearest parking, checked the coolant level, couldn't identify how much was left in the expansion vessel so I opened it up and the coolant would rapidly flush back in, filling it like 1-2 inches under the minimum level, with lots and lots of bubbles and air in it.
Called the mechanic on the spot, he said that maybe the boys that had the water pumps changed, didn't flushed the installation properly. I filled it with coolant till top top and went back on the road, again. For the next 330miles, the car didn't had any symptoms. Water was ok, heating was ok, no smoke, no nothing, no coolant level error. I didn't checked the coolant level again until the next error appeared.
Got back in town after 1 week, had some snow, had some -10°C temps, had some revving in the city (very crowded, jams, need to be quick if don't wanna spend a lifetime at the streetlights) and the error would appear once more.
Same thing, coolant vessel opened but this time the level came back.even lower. Had it reffiled, had it flushed 10minutes opened on idling, seemed ok and I was starting to suspect a hose (when they changed the thermostat / water pumps).
Next 2-3 days i constantly monitored the expansion vessel for every short trip I had. The leakage was becoming slowly obvious because it kept required reffiling, but not all the times. When drived easy, steadily, the coolant wouldn't escpaed as fast as when drived aggressively.
Still, a new sign appeared- I found wetness and liquid behind the vessel and on some hoses (at that point, got me some relief as I was pretty sure that one hose was fisured but was opening the crack only under pressure)
Ok, phoned the mechanic to let him know the problem persisted and started to document/research the issue (this is how I found the thread).
*until this point, never did the expansion vessel boiled or throw up coolant opened when revving it (i wanted to eliminate the head cylinder/Gasquet)
Got the car to the mechanic and after some checkups, he phoned me: EGR (DPF) gas cooler cracked / fisured and was losing coolant.
Ok... lets have it changed.
2 hours later, my mechanic phones me again.
The head cylinder was gone (had a crack somewhere) and the gasquet was also terminated (lossing coolant on al 4 cylinders) and, if left, undiagnosed it was only 20miles away from a total engine death.
He knew there was another problem, except for the gas cooler, because after he changed the cracked one, the car started smoking white and the coolant started to flow with pressure/boil out from the vessel (the cooling circuit became pressurized from the gasquet leaking).
It took me a lot to find out that my engine was to blame (slowly dying) because the coolant / pressure was being lost trough the egr gas cooler. So nobody suspected the head cylinder, not even I. The system had 2 faults and only by solving the first (gas cooler), did the second became obvious (head cylinder + gasquet).

Had the egr cooler changed.
Had the gasquet and the head cylinder changed.
Took around 5 hours for the entire operation to be done.

Had the car for a test-drive... 70 miles of mountain serpentines, only sport mode, noticed it could reach 5000rpm again (before it stopped at 4000-4500)...
no more shaking, no more vibrations.
Has a smooth acceleration without ever feeling the gear upgrade/downgrade.
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A competent mechanic should have been able to give you a better diagnosis. Some Q5s have a plastic impeller which is prone to failure. Could even be simply a failed thermostat. Let’s hope it is that. How old is yours?
Hope it's NOT the thermostat! Dealership here costed me $800 plus the water pump and couple other small things. It was waaaay expensive. They changed the water because it was overheating any then after that they told me it was still overheating so they were going to have to change the thermostat to fix it. It was a ratrace ..I don't think they knew what they were doing. And couldn't care less that they were just running up a big ass bill..then two years later I'm having to replace all the same stuff. They don't care...
 
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