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So at Goodwood ABT had a stand and are now offering a plug in piggy back ECU tune for the SQ5 TDI. Gains are about 50bhp and 50Nm, catch is its about £3,500.

This does include a warranty to cover what Audi no longer would (although they claim it is easy plug and play and removal will leave no trace so warranty shouldn't be an issue anyway... Untraceable is a dubious claim in my opinion). They also offer the option to test it on your vehicle for the day prior to buying.

Quick google around as only yielded this http://www.chipmydiesel.com/products/diesel-chip-tuning/audi/sq5-tdi/3760.html, and http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/deutsch/fahrzeugtyp/audi/audi_neu/audi-sq5/motorentechnik/audi-sq5-3.0-bitdi/index.html.

The first is a nice idea at that cost but I think you get what you pay for... B&B are respected but not as tight with Audi so any warranty issues could be harder to deal with (ABT run Audi DTM teams etc).

I'm not thinking of doing anything hasty, but probably in the next year I would seriously consider this.

Pretty sure all your responses are going to be why!?
Simple answer is a combination of because you can, but also it's not quite quick enough to really shock a 911 driver, which would be fun! I also expecting in a year or so I might be getting bored and this is a cheap way to rejuvenate my interest in the car (in comparison with buying a whole new car!).

So any thoughts or other people thinking about a tune at some point...?
 
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#2 ·
Search who's tuning the 3.0bitdi engine rather than the sq5 specifically.
I'll be tuning mine (sorry the wife's!) to get the best out of it.
Likely ill bd upgrading to RS4 brakes and ap floating discs... That set up is awesome.
 
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Revo would be who I'd call...
 
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+1

I had a Revo job done on a company car - A3 2.0TDI, was excellent and switchable too
 
#4 ·
Good to know Jamie. Will have to follow each others progress...

I thought about the RS4 brakes, but its a lot of dollar and unless I was going to be in a situation of continual brake use (i.e. a track) I can't see the standards letting me down - I've put them through their paces with a few BIG stops and am quite happy with the performance.

I was under the impression that Audi had made a couple of minor tweaks to the biturbo for the SQ5 application compared to the offering on the A6/A7 (mainly in the exhaust area) so not sure if it would make a difference to how an ECU tune would work. All 3 cars have identical peak bhp/Nm but the article I read suggested the dyno graphs would look slightly different to suit the chassis...

By the time I seriously look at doing this I'm sure there will be a documented favourite tune TBH.

Are you planning to go for the max you can get or just a little extra to set it above the rest? I'm thinking I don't want to overly push the limits so only go to 75% of what becomes available on the market.
 
#5 · (Edited by Moderator)
Nothing on their website yet Chooper, but I've seen what they can do to a Focus RS as a mate had a stage 4 - very impressive and he's not had any problems in over a year so far...

Just sent them a msg, will let you know what I get back!
 
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I'm surprised guys! Didn't think this would be the place to find so many people doing re-maps/tunes etc! Fair play though - all the better for it
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#9 ·
I only got in to tuning through a mate (you may have seen him driving the Drayson EV car at fos). Anyway it opened my eyes to all the little things that can be improved up on without going 'maxpower magazine' on it.
Software, bushes, geo, roll bars, weight, etc etc
Some people like it some dont.

I'll likely be looking at Revo or apr. Whoever has software switching as it will have to be easy to dial back to standard.
 
#10 · (Edited by Moderator)
So at Goodwood ABT had a stand and are now offering a plug in piggy back ECU tune for the SQ5 TDI. Gains are about 50bhp and 50Nm, catch is its about £3,500.

This does include a warranty to cover what Audi no longer would (although they claim it is easy plug and play and removal will leave no trace so warranty shouldn't be an issue anyway... Untraceable is a dubious claim in my opinion). They also offer the option to test it on your vehicle for the day prior to buying.

Quick google around as only yielded this http://www.chipmydie...5-tdi/3760.html, and http://www.bb-automo...tdi/index.html.

The first is a nice idea at that cost but I think you get what you pay for... B&B are respected but not as tight with Audi so any warranty issues could be harder to deal with (ABT run Audi DTM teams etc).

I'm not thinking of doing anything hasty, but probably in the next year I would seriously consider this.

Pretty sure all your responses are going to be why!?
Simple answer is a combination of because you can, but also it's not quite quick enough to really shock a 911 driver, which would be fun! I also expecting in a year or so I might be getting bored and this is a cheap way to rejuvenate my interest in the car (in comparison with buying a whole new car!).

So any thoughts or other people thinking about a tune at some point...?
I spoke to Neil from Richter Sport at the FOS last week as well and he was talking about an 80 Bhp gain for the SQ5 - price of £3,500 was mentioned, Richter used to be part of Wayside Audi in Milton Keynes but seem to have gone alone since the Wayside group got swallowed up by Jardines but still seem very reputable
 
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I also spoke to Neil... but got 50bhp as the gain figure... I got the brochure which says similar.
I agree they are one of the more reputable ones - but £3,500 seems a lot still.
 
#12 ·
£3,500 for 50bhp is far too much IMHO.

I had a modified Focus ST before moving to the Q. That was 300BHP.
 
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Over here in Australia there is a mob in Brisbane that I spoke to last week that mod audi's,bmw's etc. I asked them what they could do to my SQ5 and they told me that a tune would cost $2300 aus. The power would jump to 272kws and 760nm. I want to wait for a while and find out if anyone else has done it and how the gearbox handles the extra torque.
 
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#14 ·
Makes MTM's tune seem reasonable then chaps. They also do a plug and play box but im not sure if its out for the SQ yet
 
#19 · (Edited by Moderator)
All, just be careful with this, your Audi warranty will be shot. There are 2 big problems with remapping a recent Audi ECU.

First, the encryption is so good now that they cant be done through the diagnostic port. They have to be removed from the car modified and then reinstalled. This obviously is detectable.

Secondly, even if above wasn't noticed, the Audi ECU stores how many times it has been accessed and even if you have a device that puts the map back to standard before a service or warranty work it will tell tales when plugged into their diagnostic machine. It throws up a 'td1' code which makes any future warranty claims to do with the powertrain invalid.
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
ABT is not a remap - its a piggy back - the factory ECU is not removed or accessed in any way - however I would expect the ECU diagnostics would still say there is something fishy been going on...

RE warranty I quote Neil from richtersport's email today;
"Tuning price is around £3500 inc vat and warranty depending on model, however we do offer a no obligation trial on your own vehicle"

I asked him directly and he was adamant that any part that failed that Audi wouldn't cover due to the tune then they would...
 
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I just got an email from Neil and the figures he mentioned to me at the FOS aren't there, the documentation now confirms that ABT are quoting 360 Bhp and 700Nm, price remains at £3,500 which is too rich for me.
 
#21 · (Edited by Moderator)
I just got the same mail... Both graphs have very flat peaks which seems a bit too 'perfect' to me!

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Hi guys I've been in touch with Kim Collins at QST ltd reference the MTM tune for the SQ5 and copy / paste his reply for all to see and hopefully follow up on if interested. They do the full range of Q5's so owners or 2.0 & 3.0 can enjoy respective power gains as well.

"As for the SQ5 we offer the MTM M-Cantronic that will give you 365bhp/760Nm and will not effect your warranty. Fitted price £1200.00+VAT. Soon MTM will have a remap available to take it up to 381bhp but they are very strict now on remapped cars at Audi so safer with the M-Cantronic as its undetectable"
 
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#27 ·
Thats just utter nonsense.

Ask for it in writing and signed/agreed by Audi to say they will cover any and all repairs if your car develops a problem post remap.
I can image what the response will be from Audi. All 3rd party remaps are no longer supported and this is the reason they are going to the lengths they are encrypting the ECU!
 
#28 ·
Maybe your right, maybe your only partly right. I never worried about the legalities on my other cars and when the time is right i wont on this one either. but it would be a boring old world if we didn't step over the line every now and then,
One fact remains is that every main stream car manufacturer detunes their engines to allow for owners who don't service and maintain as recommended. That extra power is there and as long as you use good quality fuel, oil and service then i believe theres no issues with tapping into that extra power.
Of course thats only my view and everyone to their own, but for me thankfully there are guys out there who want to explore potential and share it with guys like me :)
 
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#29 · (Edited by Moderator)
So at Goodwood ABT had a stand and are now offering a plug in piggy back ECU tune for the SQ5 TDI. Gains are about 50bhp and 50Nm, catch is its about £3,500.

This does include a warranty to cover what Audi no longer would (although they claim it is easy plug and play and removal will leave no trace so warranty shouldn't be an issue anyway... Untraceable is a dubious claim in my opinion). They also offer the option to test it on your vehicle for the day prior to buying.

Quick google around as only yielded this http://www.chipmydie...5-tdi/3760.html, and http://www.bb-automo...tdi/index.html.

The first is a nice idea at that cost but I think you get what you pay for... B&B are respected but not as tight with Audi so any warranty issues could be harder to deal with (ABT run Audi DTM teams etc).

I'm not thinking of doing anything hasty, but probably in the next year I would seriously consider this.

Pretty sure all your responses are going to be why!?
Simple answer is a combination of because you can, but also it's not quite quick enough to really shock a 911 driver, which would be fun! I also expecting in a year or so I might be getting bored and this is a cheap way to rejuvenate my interest in the car (in comparison with buying a whole new car!).

So any thoughts or other people thinking about a tune at some point...?
Abt Partner Dealers when searched are Audi UK Dealers.
If I was going to upgrade this is the way I would go with Abt.
http://www.abt-sport...pa/country/GBR/
Or contact Forge up the road from me and see what they can do web site not that good but they are the stuff of legend.
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/
Another alternative is BB upgrade is 395 hp go to Germany and have Blast on the way back.
http://www.worldcarf...-bb-with-395-hp
 
#31 · (Edited by Moderator)
If its damage caused as a direct result of remapping then fair enough but it has to work both ways Snowman and we all know Audi will do everything in its power to refuse a warranty claim if they know the cars mapped " The ashtray return spring was put under unusual stress due to the extra gee-force you induced sir by having a remap, that caused the spring to loose tention so we cant replace that part under warranty"

Some of us don't want to be sheep
 
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#32 ·
So don't be a sheep, man up.

Call the insurance company let them know about it..
Then call audi and let them know so when you sell the car the next owner if fully informed of what he's buying and Audi can adjust your warranty accordingly. I'd guess however most people don't do any of that, but then still expect Audi or the insurance company to payout when needed.

Other than that enjoy it,
 
#37 ·
So don't be a sheep, man
Not sure where your based Snowman so please dont take offence! Being a sheep is following everyone else so going out on a limb and tuning is the oposite to being a sheep. Anyone who customises or tunes a car is therefore not a sheep.

I have informed my insurance on each of the cars tuned and most have been acceptive as its now such a common thing to do but ive learnt to wait until insurance renewal time as some have been funny and wont insure so premium lost!

As i pointed out, informing Audi would result in a complete loss of warranty and I DO accept that should the fault be related to the re-map then the cost is mine to bear. That said of the 8 cars ive had tuned, non have suffered damage. Likewise ive never seen any improvement in fuel consumption as they claim!
 
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